This blog has not shied away from controversial topics and never will, but I have to admit even I got a bit nervous tackling the issue of religion, homophobia and the Black Church. As black people, the church is so much a part of our culture, a part of who we see ourselves as being, whether we are in Lagos, London, New York, Alabama or Johannesburg. Religion and spirituality are very personal, so I am not suggesting we all abandon our churches, nor am I insinuating that homophobia is only found in black churches. As we do at Black Gay Men’s Blog, I am merely opening up the dialog – I am sure this is just the first of many discussions we will have about reconciling our sexuality with the homophobic teachings of the Black Church.
I am not here to question the validity of passages in the Bible and the God made Adam and Eve(not Adam and Steve) thing is so old now, I’m hoping we don’t even have to go down that road. I believe the Bible is also a historical journal and needs to be taken in that context. What applied in 100 BC, doesn’t necessarily apply in 2011 AD, besides the term homosexuality didn’t even exist until the 1860s, which suggests to me that people were not as preoccupied with gayness back then, as we are today. I say homophobia in the Black Church and community at large has more to do with fear, ignorance and denial, than any scripture in the Bible. Over the years, various groups of people have been targeted by Christians and churches of all denominations, but as human beings evolved, the stigma attached to those groups of people diminished. Adulterers, the divorced, drunkards, the “possessed”, prostitutes and addicts were all seen as ungodly sinners. However, it is very rare to walk into a Black church today and hear the pastor preaching about adulterers and the divorced with the same venom used to preach against homosexuality. Yesterday, black churches all over the USA, the continent of Africa and Europe had their fair share of freaks, strippers, unwed mothers, adulterers, wife beaters, rapists, child molesters and twice divorced individuals. Many pastors were probably drunk(and some high) on Saturday night, more than a handful were probably having gay sex, some of the perverted ones were abusing minors of both sexes. Not to mention the fact that the choirs belting out all those uplifting hymns are often full of and directed by black gay men. So what is the unhealthy and dangerous obsession black churches have with homosexuality?
Homophobia in the Black Church is dangerous because it affects how black gay and bisexual men see themselves, it affects our feelings of self-worth and consequently the choices we make in life. Before most of us are even aware of our sexuality, these homophobic messages have been deeply implanted in our psyche. We sit there Sunday after Sunday and absorb negativity about who we are, our lives and the men we love. It is no wonder that many black gay men are still so invisible, live double lives ridden with guilt and shame, unable to love and accept ourselves for who we truly are. The fear of rejection deepens with each homophobic sermon and our self-esteem plummets. Low self-esteem, guilt and secrecy are breeding grounds for alcohol and other drugs misuse and/or addiction. They also increase the likelihood of us making unwise sexual choices and engaging in unprotected sex. Of course, with the guilt and low self-esteem also comes denial, so even when we have made unsafe sexual choices, we are more unlikely to test regularly for HIV and other STDs. So the cycle continues and black men and women are killed or their lifespan shortened. Some will die of AIDS, some will take drug overdoses, some will commit suicide, some will die of other medical conditions such as diabetes and heart disease because they failed to look after themselves and/or take their medication. They failed to look after themselves, because there is no love of self. Many were drunk or high, so medication was the last thing on their minds. Homophobic black churches are killing our people, because once the mind has been poisoned, it is very difficult to look after the body and soul.
I am not saying that the Black Church is solely to blame for all our problems - far from it. I am all for individuals taking responsibility for their own lives and actions. Besides, there are other factors which come into play as well – we have already dealt with some of them on the blog. I am also aware that not all black churches are homophobic, there are some great progressive churches out there. However, when it comes to black gay men, lesbians, TG, bisexuals and MSM, it is quite clear that a lot of our self-esteem issues, which lead to internalized homophobia, stem from the homophobia of our churches and other organized religions (for those who aren’t Christian). Whether we like it or not, repeatedly hearing the message that we are unworthy, evil, filthy and the worst sinners ever to walk this earth affects how we view ourselves. It is a conflict many black people in the LGBT community face. We go to church seeking spiritual guidance, inner peace, love and solace, but we often end up torn, conflicted and full of shame and guilt. Not quite the uplifting experience it is supposed to be. This is one area of our lives many of us ignore, because it is such a delicate subject and the fear and abuse(because that’s what it is) are so deeply ingrained, we sit and suffer in silence, like battered wives.
Rev Rowland Jide Macaulay, founder of Africa’s first inclusive mission says: With many scriptural interpretation that alienate sexual minorities, especially by the religious communities and leaders in Africa, it was important that a new liberal gospel is spelt out with a great insight to the understanding of the bible for LGBTI people, I made this statement based on the increased ability to understand the word of God and the interpretation for many people who share my convictions.
Romans 9:25-26 “Those who were not my people I will call “my people”, and those who were not beloved I will call “beloved”. ‘And in the very place where it was said to them, “You are not my people”, there they shall be called children of the living God.”
We are all God’s People, heterosexuals and non-heterosexuals including Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transgender and Intersex (LGBTI). Many of us are not informed by our families or religious communities that we are God’s people, often we are told that we are corrupted by the devil, we are labelled an abomination, an outcast, disgrace, detestable, despicable, wrongdoers, and many LGBTI folks and our immediate families believed that lie, many fell to illness, suicide, death and destructive behaviours.
At House Of Rainbow Fellowship, Africa’s first inclusive mission founded in 2006, We tell LGBTI people that God loves them, even if they are hated in their countries.
Rev Horace L. Griffin, an Episcopal priest writes in his book, Their Own Receive Them Not: African American Lesbian and Gays in Black Churches –
“The black church’s teaching that homosexuality is immoral has created a crisis for lesbian and gay Christians in black churches. This black-church-sanctioned homophobia produces a lot of twisted black people.”
As black gay and bisexual men, we are responsible for own spiritual and mental health. If you are sitting in a homophobic church week after week, I would love to hear your reasons why. I think at some point we have to be really honest about what we want out of life. The most important thing in my life right now is inner peace, so I tend to get rid of things which upset that balance. No, I’m not saying stop going to church or stop being a Christian, just be very clear about how your choices affect the other areas of your life. I still go to church(not every week, was never a weekly church goer anyway), but I made the decision not to attend any homophobic churches, where the pastor appears to be obsessed with the “demon” of homosexuality, instead of working on his own demons. I refuse to put myself through that, at this point in my life. Luckily, there are some progressive churches out there, especially if you live in a big city. My God is a God of love, not hate. That’s how I am reconciling my sexuality with my faith, but sometimes it is a battle, especially when dealing with family. I consider myself more spiritual than religious, which helps, as I am not tied to any one church.
However we try and dress it up, homophobia in the Black Church has had an adverse effect on many black gay men and the black community at large. How do you reconcile your faith with your homosexuality? Have you abandoned the church and maybe taken up some other religion? Or do you agree with the homophobic sermons served up at many black churches, do you believe you are doomed to a life of misery and will burn in hell fire? How have the homophobic teachings of our churches affected your life as a black gay man, bisexual or MSM? What do you see as the way forward when it comes to homophobia in the Black Church and black gay men?
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This is such a deep problem. Black people all over the world have taken this church thing way too far. I understand younger black gay men sitting in homophobic churches, but when you are 35, 40, 50 – shouldn’t we have grown spines by then? No homophobic church is good for the soul of a black gay man.
Personally, I only go to inclusive/alternative/progressive places of worship and not that often. I have embraced spirituality and a deeper, closer connection with the higher power that no homophobic black church can give me.
Doesn’t matter if I’m in NYC, London or here in Jamaica, the fanaticism of Black Christians never ceases to amaze me. I understand that oppressed people get a lot of relief from faith, but at some point we have to use the brains God gave us. This constant focus on homosexuality is so ridiculous, it really puts me off going to church. In fact a lot of my friends 35 and over have abandoned the church(apart from weddings and funerals). Why go some where you are going to be made to feel like dirt?
True Christians would accept anyone, that’s what Jesus taught, so I don’t understand how they can call themselves Christian and be so mean spirited and judgemental, when it suits them.
The important thing is to have inner peace, luckily I don’t have to go to anybody’s church to get that. It took me a while to get here, but I’m glad I have.
It saddens me when i meet gay men, that say they havent been to church in years. On the other hand, I totally understand the reasoning behind their actions. No one wants to constantly belittled and ridiculed for essentially being who they are. I have lived in the south my entire life and been to a few churches where the pastor preached entire sermons against homosexuality, and felt like the scum of the earth when i left. Even at 22 y/o I know no one wants to, or should have to feel like that. There aren’t any churches where I live that have really accepting views about homosexuality, but the church I have decided to attend regularly does have a pastor that doesn’t speak negatively of homosexuality. He focuses on tolerance of others, repentance, and loving yourself for who you are. His core teachings are being the best christian you can be, and praising God. Which is what I believe is what church is all about.
As soon I when away to college, I rarely went to church. Like some of the previous posters said, sitting through a sermon where a preacher berates your very being and having people you know in the congregation stand up and clap is extremely painful, especially when you’re a teenager. The situation was worse for me because I was a church musician, so sometimes I got a double dose of homophobia when I’d go to play at other churches.
As of right now (I’m 24), I don’t go to church because I work on Sundays, but even if I didn’t I probably wouldn’t go anyway. I still play for one church in my city (I’ve been there since high school), because the pastor has a neutral attitude towards gays/homosexuality, as far as I can tell, but I don’t think I’ll try to play at any other churches. At this point I just can’t see myself having to walk into another church and hide a part of myself just to make others comfortable, and playing for a homophobic pastor I feel would be contributing the cycle of homophobia.
I would almost describe my beliefs as borderline agnostic, but that’s another post topic entirely:).
I got fed up of all the hate from the church and family using what the pastor had said against me. Ain’t got no time for church at this time, I had to do me and give it up. I still believe in God and I consider myself spiritual, but being Christian seems to mean(to a lot of black folk) losing the ability to think and quoting the Bible when it suits u. I ain’t down with that. Plus, my former pastor was getting his back blown out by my homie and still standing there every Sunday shouting loud about how homosexuality was evil. BS!!!
I am one of those that have decided to abandon regular attendance to Sunday church services. I cannot honestly say I’ve ever consistently attended a church where the preacher’s sermons were frequently about homosexuality. I hear that this is not uncommon, but it is not my experience. I have heard sermonic references to homosexuality in sermons from time to time. However, for me it was more of the negative comments I heard from the congregation. I am also a musician, and I was very active in pulpits across my city.
I have never had a problem with the Christian church shunning something they believe, based on doctrine, is wrong, sinful, etc. I would no more expect them to “accept” homosexuality than they would other “sins,” like lying, pre-marital sex, murder, etc. As I mentioned in a previous log entry, my problem is the way people (even the church) pick and choose what they want to place emphasis on, as opposed to applying the rules consistently. If there is going to be such a negative emphasis placed on homosexuality because it is a “sin” or an “abomination,” there should be an equal emphasis on all of the sins and abominations mentioned in the bible.
We (gay men) are conflicted, just as every human being is conflicted to some degree. As Black men in America, we were given and have been fed the Christianity we know of from generations. If we lived elsewhere, it is likely that our religion would be something else. But, that’s neither here nor there.
My view is that, if you are going to choose a religion or religious stance/lifestyle that is based on the bible, you have to accept what is said within the book…both good and bad. However, I will boldly say I cannot fully accept the bible as a guide to my life. I was very reluctant and even afraid to say that until I reached the age of 30. I, as many others, was raised in a religion atmosphere where questioning the teaching of the church and the bible were not well received.
If you knew me just a few years ago, you would know that I was in church, for one reason or another, 3-4 times per week most of the time. It was mainly my love and passion for the music, being around other musical people, and the joy I got from encouraging people through the music. However, I have reached an age where I am sure of who I am in terms of sexual orientation. More importantly, I am in a long-term relationship that I plan to be in indefinitely. While this is not my first long-term relationship, I no longer accept that I will have to, in essence, hide of disregard it with church folk. It’s not that I desire to walk around screaming “I’m gay” to everyone I meet. But, when you are in the church and you are gay, and in relationship, you can’t openly acknowledge it. It’s the whole “don’t ask, don’t tell” thing. It wasn’t even that I felt no one in my church or circle of church friends knew I was gay. Several did because I told them, and I am sure several others did because either someone else told them, or simply because they “figured me out.”
I have not attended a worship service in over a year now. I refuse to willingly place myself in situations and environments where I have to hide significant parts of myself in fear of being negatively judged, ridiculed, looked down upon, etc. However, I agree with the author of the blog. I don’t advise gay men to boycott the church. It will be an ongoing conflict. I don’t feel we, as gay men, have a right to tell the church to “accept” homosexuality. However, I do believe we are to love all people, and it is simply wrong to place a particular emphasis on homosexuals. If the church were to antagonize all the “sinners” in their church in the way that they antagonize homosexuals, I don’t think church attendance would be as high. That also means there would be a lot less money going through some of these churches (that’s another blog post).
So, my question is, what is it that you want the church to do in terms of its views on homosexuality?
Having grown up in a non-traditional Black Church (Lutheran), I didn’t have those stigmas to grow up with. I had a healthy view of who I was as a Gay man once I realized I was gay. I also grew up in a family with many inter-racial marriages and many bi-racial cousins. I’m fortunate not to have dealt with issues of self worth or acceptance that so many Gay Black Male Christians have had to deal with. I’m always amazed and saddened when I hear such stories.
What makes homosexuals and homosexuality right? Is the entire universe wrong?It takes a man and a woman to procreate.Why is it that you homosexuals need us anti gay people to worship with you anyway? The bible condemns homosexuality and so should society. If you don’t like the way i think then have nothing to do with me.I don’t like the way the KKK thinks and I don’t have nothing to do with them.It’s like you are trying to force your perversion on those of us who think you are retards. As for marriage you are ridiculous adam and steve?we don’t agree,you go your way I go mine.
I could also ask you why you have come here to rub shoulders with retarded perverts. See how flawed your statement is? Probably not, seeing as you think your church is like the KKK.
I know that my response will not be a typical response but here it is. I am the son of a Baptist minister who brought his children up to be very conservative. Needless to say that homosexuality was out of the question for any of his sons. I have come out to my family as a gay man and have found support from them. I love and embrace myself as a child of God, not my sexuality. I admit my struggle but I am one that thinks homosexuality is not of God. I do not feel that I was born this way! I was born into sin as we all were but I do not feel that God purposefully made gay men. It has been stated all through the Bible that homosexuality is wrong, specifically in Romans the first two chapters.
Although I embrace my struggle with homosexuality, I ask God for His grace and mercy as I sort through my feelings. Homosexuality is not the only sin! Preachers often speak on sins that step on the toes of others in the congregation as well. At the end of the day, whomever is found wrong in the eyes of God is just plain wrong. I cannot judge another man for I am not God. I believe that His word is true and that nothing should be added to it and nothing taken away. I know that I may condemn myself when I say this, being that I admit to being gay. However, like all Christians, we must deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow after Christ. Even if this means denying our flesh of what we feel comes natural to us. I wish that homosexuality was right because it feels good to be with a man. But if my maker is not pleased with it, I have to do my best to fight, fast and pray.
As I stated before I started writing…my views are very different from a lot of gay men. I charge everyone to read the word for yourself and pray to God for wisdom and understanding. The church is not set up to condemn or make people feel bad. It is in place to provide us the truth based upon the word of God and to convict us when we are wrong. Once we know who we are in Christ and realize that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, we then will begin to work on ourselves and strive to please God and not ourselves. Trust me, I know the struggle!! My prayer is that I am not turned over to a reprobate mind to do the things that are wrong and believe them to be right.
I believe that you are wrong in 1) thinking that “homosexuality” is synonymous with a gay man, lesbian woman, etc
, and; 2) that you can “fight, fast, and pray” yourself straight.
Firstly, if you look at the scriptures such as Leviticus and Romans, these scriptures define “homosexuality” as “sexual immorality.” Meaning sex between two men (or more) or women. Given that one that is a homosexual or lesbian is not synonymous with sex, to be gay for most homosexuals and lesbians (etc) is not a sin.
Furtuhermore, many churches and church folk have it wrong. They preach about homosexuality being a sin, and automatically linking homosexuals/lesbians/etc (noun) with the act of homosexuality. Unfortunately, this miscommunication is the basis of homophobia in our society. It is not that GOD’s word is flawed. It is the bigotry of the church that has borne this hatred. One result is that Gay Black Men (and women) are socialized to think they are inadequate being gay or lebian or etc. So, they think they can pray, fast, etc themselves straight. (In many cases these men (especially) get into to marriages to soon get divorced.)
Too many people in the Black church (as well as White, etc, churches) worship the church and pastors, instead of GOD. This is when people give the church more mind control than GOD.
My favorite subject,(Demon slaying,LOL)
Demons are people that make double sided statements about facts that are 1/2 true with the rest of the truth tucked in denial. Demons are religious people that use their positions to,teard down,destroy,and alienate people who are gay to make their sins feel cleaner through emtional distruction. Master Demons are the religous leaders.
The bible never once says,”homosexuality is the worst sin.” what it says is,its equal to unwed sex and having kids out of wed are equal to the sins of homsexaulity,not that one is worst than the other. (demons pick and choose vile comments about us)
To spend a sermon on homosexuality and make that seems as if its the worst sins,when those very pastors,preist,rabbi’s etc,etc. “EMBRACE” the many bastard children that attend that church,its a double statement within its self. To not place them in the same catagory in christian teachings is total hypocrisy!
I thought these very things when I was a child in church and knew then,this wasnt going to be something I embraced,this religious thing.
My Mother is a prime example of demon,being a advid church goer herself has commited more sins through child abuse,adultery and the lick,yet when I sought help at the church because of her abuse,I was looked at as…”well maybe if you didnt sound like a girl she wouldnt be straving and beating you?” AS smart and wise child that I was back then,I’d reply, “But my brothers arent sissies and they suffer the same tyranny!” MY Mother to this day is embraced and honored at her church. Even when I took her to court for child abuse and she was convicted,the paster of her church was looking for someone to have me beat up.. Homosexuality is worst than child abuse? This was the message at my Mothers church back then.
Those events made me realize at a very young age…The church is the chief destroyer of the black spirit. I have been a demon slayer ever since.
I love it when they knock on my door and spew sermons,and I make them aware of “Bastard children equal homosexuality as far as sin. I literally watch that happy face of self distruction,turned to..”I didnt really think about it that way” Thats what I really mean when I use the term demon slayer…( A Master at that,LOL) to shed light on old dark thoughts…LOL
Black Orphus.
Let me comment about Gospel music in these churches. Those black gay men who find and found inspritation in this type of music,to me are no less self opression then siting in a church listening to a group tell you that your condemed to hell. MY Mother listened to this music to cleanse herself after every blood drawing vicious beating I suffered as a child.
I broke up with a guy once when I arrived at his house and he was singing,”With a great deal of pride” how god blessed him because he is not a sinner,or soemthing to that effect. To see him sing with such emotion and at the same time was very closeted,I can deal with closeted (on rare occasions) but not when its combined with gospel antigay hymms.
Not all gospel music is sung by members of anti-gay churches. Not all churches preach anti-gay sermons, not all pastors/preachers are anti-gay. I understand that you have some personal issues with the church(and quite rightly so, considering what you have been through), but I think we need to keep things in perspective. Gospel music is a broad genre these days and every hymn or song, which talks about sin, is not necessarily “anti-gay”.
I use a childhood experience to make a point,not for it to be classified as “Personal issue” No, I think you have lost your prepective, to the vast majority of Christians homosexuality equals sin. The people that sing and perform those songs,arent out gays, Gay chritian singing group? Where? LOL
I was also refering to a closeted guy,which makes me beleive that his “gospel” music he so charishes contributes to him feeling ashamed of being exactly who he is and thats gay. He himself told me” The only way I can see live performances of gospel is to hang out in churches.” That was his excuse to me for him being a church memeber. SO to correct you storm,my opion has nothing to do with my history of child abuse,but the opression of homosexuals.
AGAIN,Christians equate sin to homosexuality… Lets not loose persepctive on the overall influence religion has had on my our kind… Thats antigay to me… and anyone who has been shuned in these places who are musically talented and told they cant perform unless they conform…
A gospel is an account, often written, that describes the life of Jesus of Nazareth. In a more general sense the term “gospel” may refer to the Good News message of the New Testament. It is primarily used in reference to the four canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. However, the term is also used to refer to the Apocryphal gospels, the Non-canonical gospels, the Jewish gospels and the Gnostic gospels.
Thats what Gospel means,has nothing to do with my childhood,Genre? When they have the Gay Gospel then you can sit here and tell me that “not all gospel is anti gay…
@ storm & Black Orphus
One of the reasons I don’t like blogs is… The people that run the blogs like to keep the conversation going in the direction they want,and reject dialog that goes against or questions the blogers integrity.
I was in a sandwich shop waiting on my order standing next to a “white”police officer who just made the statement when he got is order and left. I didn’t have a chance to say anything before he was out the door with his order. But even if that wasn’t the cast, If your a black man then chances are you have been harassed in some unlawful way by the police as I have. When you make anyone thats arrogant in a position of authority (like police officers are),feel stupid,foolish,or ignorant.. (more likely) Chances are your going to get your experience some form of harassmen,,and I’d really pity a sissy gay doing such. If you smoke weed then double that with a jail house homophobic atmosphere.
About your comment Orphus, You sound like my brother is, very strong and vocal about things they find to be objectionable when it comes to how people perceive homosexuals today. You might be the one reason I still visit this blog.
In my family anyone that is into Gospel music were anti gay.. Excuse me Storm, They believe homosexuality is UN-natural. ( I don’t see what the difference is)
I would like to know how large the number is of the churches that “EMBRACE” the gay life style,but I doubt its very big.
@ Black Orphus & Wakeem
Actually, we are having dialog, which I love. The point I was making was a lot of us are so used to coming from a place of perceived stigma, that it prevents us from doing whatever little we can individually. That’s all. I am not suggesting it is always practical to do so. Trust me, I know what cops and people in authority can be like, I’m just playing devils advocate and trying to encourage some of us to take more of a stance, when we can. It doesn’t have to be with “cops”, that was just used as an example. It could be, like referenced in the article, with heterosexual friends/associates etc.
Of course, we all know most black churches don’t embrace homosexuality, that’s the whole point of the article. However, there are some people(I know quite a few), who listen to gospel music, simply because they say it “uplifts” them. There are also gospel singers, who are out to their individual churches and yes, there are even gay choirs. I am just trying to be fair, I think just as a lot of us don’t like blanket statements, we should also try to be mindful of using them. I totally understand what you are both saying, but a balanced argument is often more productive, when it comes to getting others to see our point of view.
@ Black Ophus – didn’t mean to offend you, by saying “personal issues”. All I meant was if I had been treated the way your pastor treated you, I would probably have an extremely dim view of the church too. So, that’s where I was coming from, wasn’t referring to just the abuse.
We all agree that most black churches are homophobic, so the core of all our arguments are the same. I just like balance, that’s all. You guys need to realize that I will play devils advocate, from time to time, to get a deeper debate going. It is not to be taken personally. My views are quite clear in the article.
“Wakeem”, “Black Orphus” and “TO B rejected 4 life” are the same individual and just came on to the blog to cause a disturbance. He has been banned, after sending me several disrespectful emails, as well as other unpublished comments. I wish him all the best, hopefully he gets the help he needs.
This topic definitely hits home for me on a number of levels. As a Black gay man who is also an ordained minister, I constantly find myself struggling not with my own personal issues regarding spirituality and sexuality–but rather, the issues with the Black church as a structure and how best to fight for change within it.
This is actually the topic for my dissertation. I’m doing a study of Black gay/bisexual men living in the Deep South to look at the relationships between religiosity, spirituality, internalized homophobia, and sexual health behaviors. I wanted to focus on the Deep South (NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, LA) because 1) we’re considered the “buckle of the Bible belt” and Black religiosity is so strong here, and 2) the Deep South is also being ravaged by HIV/AIDS. [Shameless plug: if you want to learn more about my study, go to http://www.facebook.com/SHIFTstudy ]
But I think we have to be fair in our assessments of why Black gay and bisexual men stay in homophobic churches. Yes, it can damage the psyche to be beat down so much over one specific yet important part of your being. But folks go to church for many reasons. It’s often linked to family ties/relations, which makes the church an extension of the family in some ways. In some studies, Black gay/bi men reported going to homophobic churches in spite of the homophobia for a lot of reasons: the church affirms their identity as Black men, independent of their sexuality; it’s a place where they feel they can give back to their community; and some have figured out ways to neutralize the homo-negative messages they hear. Again, I’m not justifying anyone’s decisions, just offering different viewpoints.
This is a complicated topic that we definitely need to take time to unpack.
The following is part 1 of 3 of Donnie McClurkin saying he is delivered from being gay. In part 3 has crowds of young people who are gay come to the front and get the demon out.
This makes me so sad, takes me back to my own experience in the church growing up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_8P03Vk1I&feature=related
it seems to me youre attempting to get the church to accept your sexual preference as status quo as just being normal. you ought to worry about how jesus sees it. its dead wrong,spiritually and literally. and you know it is and thats sad and downright deadly. youre basically recruiting kids into an deadly life style by compromising spiritual truth for a agenda. im praying for you and you pray for me and god bless!